Guys ada yang bisa bantu.....
Gw sama sekali buta soal fly fishing.....jadi kalau ada yang bisa share thanks banget..

1. WTF itu apa sih ?? Kan semua joran atau linenya fly ukurannya WTF. Kalau dicompare dengan mono WTF itu sama dengan mono ukuran berapa ?
2. Jenis2x leader / topshotnya Flyfishing ada apa aja ? sinking, floating atau ada yang lain ?
3. Apa semua reel fly interchangeable ? Bisa untuk dipakai left hand atau right hand ?
4. Mainline reel fly biasa menggunakan PE atau mono ?

Thx...

Bro sorry, postingan elo gw pindah ke Fishy Fly sesuai tempatnya. Thx. -SM

Bro jerry...
Thank's buat bantuannya.
Tapi menurut gw kalau thread gw ditaro di fly, ini bukannya masuk kategori fishylure/fishfly ?? Sementara pertanyaan gw lebih ke rod, reel and linenya, bukan lurenya. Makanya gw post ke fishtackle.
Takutnya jarang ada yang baca kalau ditaro ke fishy fly and jarang yang kasih reply.

thx

Bro Okuma,
Maaf, bahasa saya tidak bagus....

I am not totally sure what you are asking but I am pretty sure I can answer all your questions.....if someone could rephrase in english I am happy to try to help....

Bro, coba dech elo liat lagi di Fishy Salt. Tulisannya Fishy Fly adalah sub forum utk Diskusi tentang Fly Fishing jadi IMO Fishy Fly adalah tempat utk membahas segala sesuatu ttg Fly Fishing, terkecuali barang yg mau dibeli/dijual.
Dan setahu gw, udah ada bbrp thread yg juga membahas Fly Fishing yg masuk sub forum ini termasuk gear, report dll.
Plese CMIIW.
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Jim, let me try. Please forgive me if there's any mistake.

Guys, need help about Fly Fishing terminology and Fly Fishing equipment, I will appreciate if anyone can share his/her knowledge.

1. What is the terminology of WTF? As long as I know all Fly Fishing rod and line class determined by WTF. If WTF compared to monofilament than equal towhat size of monofilament?
2. What types of leaders/top shots in Fly Fishing? Are they sinking or floating type only? Are there any other types?
3. Are all of Fly Fishing reel interchangeable? Can be right handed or left handed?
4. Does the main line of Fly Fishing reel use regular PE (braided, Dyneema, Spectra) or monofilament?

Thanks.

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Bung Omar!
Maksudnya WTF ini mungkin anda maksud WFT! Ini berarti weight forward taper.
A flyline terbagi 3 sectie: a.Weight of the line
b.The taper, the type of flyline
c. Function, floating or sinking.

For casting a flyline & rod you need loading a certain weight outside your rod! So the first 30 feet( 9,52m) is your working part of your flyline! So according AFTMA( American Fishing Tackle Manufacturers Associations),table:
AFTMA Grains Grams(the first 30')
#1 60 4
2 80 5,5
3 100 6,5
4 120 8
5 140 9,5
6 160 10,5
7 185 12,5
8 210 14
9 240 16
10 280 18,5
11 330 22
12 380 25,5
This goes up to# 16 I even heard about # 20?
Ini tidak bisa dicompare sama mono, mungkin anda maksudnya Lain?
Perkara leader sudah saya jelaskan di Flyfishing di Indonesia, kalau perkara rules IGFA lain lagi.Saya silahkan Jim untuk menjawab pertanyaan yang lainnya.Sorry, kalau kurang jelas atau salah paham!
Any questions,please do!
Jim! I am sorry! for interrupting before you finished! May be you can give the correct answers in case I misunderstood Mr. Okuma.
Regards,
Victor Loppies.

Victor,
No problem at all for interrupting...that is why I asked you to chime in as your bahasa great and mine is bad...

Pak Omar,
I think Victor did a good job of answering your question regarding WTF....it is in regard to the Weight Forward Taper on a fly line. There are many different flyline tapers all of which have their own purpose and use in different fishing applications. WFT (or WFF Weight Forward Floating) this type of taper is probably the most popular flyline taper....but not always the best for certain types of fishing.

Lets back up and mention the components of a fly reel setup...
1. Backing : this is attached to the reel spool first and is typically dacron rated to 20-30 lbs....depending on the reel capacity you typically put 200-300 yds (for saltwater) of backing on the reel first. The flyline is attached to the backing.

2. The flyline...you attach the flyline to the backing with an albright knot (others can be used to but this is a standard). The flyline is typically 80-100 ft in length and starts out relatively thin until the tapered portion that is usually about the last 30 ft of the line. to the end of the flyline you attach your leader.

3. Your leader is typically made of monofiliament and can be anywhere from 7-12 ft in length. I usually tie my own out of different lengths of mono filiament, starting with 30 lb for the butt section, ~20 lb for the middle, and then 10-15 lb for the tippet (the tippet is whay you tie your fly onto). If you are fishing for toothy fish like GT's or barracuda you need to use a bite tippet of ~12 inches...either 30-40 lb mono or wire...


More on fly lines themselves....

Victor has gone through a lot of detail on tapers and grain weights of fly lines. Basically all Fly rods are designed to cast a specific range of line weights (measured in grains..). This is just like spinning and casting rods are rated to specific lure weights and monofiliament sizes.

In stores you will not see fly lines listed in grain weights...it is much easier.

A 6 weight(wt) rod...will cast a 6-7 wt line
An 8 weight (wt) rod...will cast a 8-9 wt line....etc

As Victor metioned there are floating lines, sinking lines, intermediate sinking lines....etc.....all made for specific fishing applications...i.e. where are the fish feeding in the water column.

So there is no equivalent to monofiliament that can be made with flylines.

All flylines have a braided mono or dacron core and a polymer coating that makes up the taper etc.



Anyway that is a bit of rambling and I hope you can follow it all....books are written about this and it is difficult to answer easily in a few paragraphs.

To ? #3, the answer is Yes, almost all fly reels can be set up for either right or left hand retrieve....usually just a simple adjustment...if buying a reel in a flyshop they will ask you if you want it set up for right or left hand and will do the adjustment for you...it is very easy to do yourself though.

Much easier to show you a reel in person loaded up with backing and a line....it will probably make a lot more sense than my explanation.

Hope that helps.

Tight Lines,
Jim

Thank's Bro Jerry...
Gw gak ngeliat....maklum browse dikantor, jadi sambil liat2 kerjaan...., gak salah lah loe naik pangkat jadi mod .

Maaf, saya lupa thank Pak Jerry for the translation!

Terima kasih banyak, very helpful.....turns out I did understand some of it correctly but not question 1 or 4.....

Jim:

How about a flyfishing demonstration for our members?

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It's been said that there are two types of fisherman - those who fish for sport and those who fish for fish. I don't do both

Pak Adrianus,
Sure I would be happy to, Pak Budi (aka Snookfly) is also very knowledgeable on fly fishing. He lived in Florida for many years and knows his stuff.

Perhaps Pak Budi and I (and anyone else who is interested or wants to contribute...) could do a basic fly fishing demonstration....going over the basics of the tackle setup and casting etc. I would be happy to do it and I am sure Pak Budi would be interested as well. Lets discuss a time and a place..???

Jim

Wah usul yg bgs tuh p Adrianus. Kalo bs di buatkan videonya, jd yg tdk bs hadir jg bs ikut belajar.
Btw apa benar tackle set u fly fishing hrgnya . . .mahal? Perkiraan hrg minimum nya brp? Soalnya benar2 buta mengenai teknik mancing yg 1 ini, thx.

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Well-defined Jim!
Hope you can bring up your knowledge of flyfishing to a lot of people in this forum, after all it is a great,fine,beautiful part- of fishing!
I remember one of my friends, a big guy always doing fishing with big poles,in rain or storm.He went to Martha's Vinyard and saw all those flyfishers catching their fishes, I will never touch that sweeping thing!!
I waited for the right moment to show him some flycasting and now he's addicted! Writes,fly-tier, kayak, etc.
Anyway, have you ever heard about the Nuigini bass? Reputed to be one of world's toughest fighting fish( Papuan black bass), seems great to do a expedition to Irian Barat, perhaps Fishy or Sportfisherman knows more about these kind of bass?
Take care,
Victor.

Bung Rudi!
Salam kenal!Perkara tackle set di Indonesia saya kurang tahu, tapi di Europa banyak bisa dibeli sekitar $ 200 á 250 included rod,flyline,backing & reel, yang penting anda harus mencari orang yang pokoknya tahu mengenai flyfishing! Saya tahu Shimano banyak modelnya,apa joran, reel etc.Tapi kalau saya lihat forum ini, kan udah banyak mengetahui flyfishing, coba bikin contact!
Succes dan selamat bermancing!!
Victor.

Hi Victor ,

The famous place for Papuan Black Bass is at Benchbach , near Marauke in the south of the island but on PNG side , there is charter there run by Ozzie but very expensive due to very high cost of internal flights within PNG and the charter itself .

There are 2 main species of these black bass , the dark colored one and the spotted one and I was told the spotted one in the upper reaches of the river is more powerfull than the dark colored one in the lower reaches of the river .

I am not sure if anyone has managed to subdue the black bass of respectable size by using flyfishing technique , I heard horror stories of graphite rods exploded under extreme load , etc. , the standard tackles for papuan black bass is baitcaster filled with 50 lbs minimum
braided line and 100 lbs. leader . Haven't done it myself but was told by a friend living in PNG and have done the trip who is reliable .

If Black bass is anything like Red Bass , I say good luck to you flyfishers because even Red Bass pull harder than GT and in places where snags are all over the fishing ground , I am not sure if you can let the fish to run at all . We catch Red Bass while fishing for GT and we use lock up drag setting , if you let it run and take lines , it will be all over within seconds .

Mind you I am not a flyfisher , I am considering buying a beginner's set which if I don't like it , won't cause heartache to discard and looking at a special offer in BassPro shop right now which comes complete with reel n WFT line @ below US$. 100.- . However I don't think this combo outfit will be able to take on Papuan Black Bass of respectable size , my target is mahseer in the rivers of Borneo .

Returning to Papua province is my dream but it's difficult to get good boat and reliable host , I have been to Biak a number of times and once to Jayapura a long time ago , it was good then because of facilities I can enjoy courtesy my late good friend who was the G.M. of a plywood factory with their own marine transportation facilities ( tugboat , barge , speedboat , etc. ) . Now I don't have that anymore since my friend passed away .

Jon .

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Returning to Papua province is my dream but it's difficult to get good boat and reliable host , I have been to Biak a number of times and once to Jayapura a long time ago , it was good then because of facilities I can enjoy courtesy my late good friend who was the G.M. of a plywood factory with their own marine transportation facilities ( tugboat , barge , speedboat , etc. ) . Now I don't have that anymore since my friend passed away .

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Thanks a lot, John!
Indeed the Papuan black bass is a very strong if not the strongest fish that swims.According Lefty Kreh the Godfather of flyfishing: "I carried line friction burns on my fingers for two weeks after fighting the Niugini black bass".
You can not fight them the normal way! Like Lefty says,he used 50 pnd class tippet and a heavy shockleader, when you hooked them, backup the boat, hold the line tight and lock up your drag, you cannot pull your rod,or it will busted,just straight the point to the fish! So it has nothing to do with normal fishing!I have never done GT popping but by reading your link-(Caranx,Angler's Pro etc) forums I understand why you need a strong rod & drag!
To keep them from the corals and rocks.
By the way, I just bought a Stella 20000 PG, What type of the Carpenter rods will match my length(1.67m) and weight(70kg)? I am looking for a strong-not heavy rod that can handle even big fish!
It is difficult just to buy from pics.
Hope you can get some heavy mahseer in Kalimantan! Iam looking forward to your trip!!!
Rgds,
Victor.

Thanks a lot, John!
Indeed the Papuan black bass is a very strong if not the strongest fish that swims.According Lefty Kreh the Godfather of flyfishing: "I carried line friction burns on my fingers for two weeks after fighting the Niugini black bass".
You can not fight them the normal way! Like Lefty says,he used 50 pnd class tippet and a heavy shockleader, when you hooked them, backup the boat, hold the line tight and lock up your drag, you cannot pull your rod,or it will busted,just straight the point to the fish! So it has nothing to do with normal fishing!I have never done GT popping but by reading your link-(Caranx,Angler's Pro etc) forums I understand why you need a strong rod & drag!
To keep them from the corals and rocks.
By the way, I just bought a Stella 20000 PG, What type of the Carpenter rods will match my length(1.67m) and weight(70kg)? I am looking for a strong-not heavy rod that can handle even big fish!
It is difficult just to buy from pics.
Hope you can get some heavy mahseer in Kalimantan! Iam looking forward to your trip!!!