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Old 20-04-2008, 22:35
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hi...salam semua. nama aku ari. sebelum aku lanjut,aku mintak maaf kerana bahasa indonesia aku pas pas aje. so, jika aku kesulitan jelasin sesuatu, ...hope you dont mind if i use english


ok lets get to the point.

baru2 ini aku telah sewa tanah seluas 1 hektar di pondok cabei. ini ialah bekas kolam mancing yg dah lama bangkrup.
so tujuan aku ialah buat kolam yg khas untuk fly fishing. aku sperti kebanyakan peminat flyfishing yg tinggal di kota jakarta kurang punya waktu utk nyari lokasi2 yg sesuai utk mancing...dan soal ketemu tempat tapi ikannya gimana?..apa hanya buang waktu ke lokasi yg jauh akhirnya ikannya kosong?
terusnya tujuan yg lain ialah utk perkembangkan flyfishing...i mean to get more people interested in flyfishing.

kolamnya tidak begitu luas atau terlalu kecil ...tapi aku guarantee pasti dapat ikan, soalnya ini ialah kolam CATCH and RELEASE...ikannya pasti banyak.
ikan yg aku akan masukan ialah Pacu , snakehead(gabus) , Nila,peacock bass (mono) , cichlid managuese dan gourami.

jadi aku jemput semua di forum ini yg minat utk beri kemasukan (suggestions) supaya aku lebih negerti permintaan pemancing di indonesia.

soal banyak nya ikan ...Dont worry...aku punya stok yg banyak di farm aku di bandung.so aku ingin tau kmu suku mancing ikan apa?..maka bisa nyari ikan2 tersebut.
aku juga telah undang jaguh2 flyfishing dari malaysia dan singapore utk test kolam ini dan utk beri kemasukan , fly clinic dan cara fly fishing. mereka sangat friendly dan akan ajar segala yg ditanya...ini sudah pasti

thanks everyone.

ini lah kolam yg baru di bersihin...pond no2..khas flyfishing. aras air akan di naik kan lagi nanti sehingga penuh

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...0042008391.jpg


pohon2 aku dah buang semua supaya ada ruang yg cukup luas utk back cast.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...0042008392.jpg


pond no 1...aku belum jelas mau bikin apa dengan kolam ini...awalnya ada rancangan utk bongkar temboknya supaya 2 kolam ini jadi 1..tapi dilarang ama tuan punya tanah. mungkin akan masukan ikan2 Toman dan belida....tujuan mancing pakei line 3lbs and below. seru bos...jika lawan ikan toman yg 3kg dgn tali 2lbs
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...0042008393.jpg


ini jalan masuk ke kolam...di kanan ialah kali yg aku supply kolam ini dgn air yg fresh supaya ikan2 lebih kuat..so that means a lot of tough fighting fish
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Old 20-04-2008, 22:44
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met gabung disini pak ariel. selain fly, apa boleh dipancing dengan minnow? cnr ya pasti lah.. kalo boleh pakai minnow;
- denah jalan menuju kolam itu?
- berapa bayarnya? untuk berapa lama?
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Old 20-04-2008, 23:05
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met gabung disini pak ariel. selain fly, apa boleh dipancing dengan minnow? cnr ya pasti lah.. kalo boleh pakai minnow;
- denah jalan menuju kolam itu?
- berapa bayarnya? untuk berapa lama?
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hi bos..well i guess its okay jika pakei minnow tapi jangan yg idup bos, terusnya ati2 aje waktu pakei lure dan jauh dari yg main fly...soalnya takut kmu yg jadi target fly line yg liar

aku juga belum tau bayaran nya brapa, asal jangan aku jadi rugi ya udah dan time limit mungkin aku akan pakei konsep fish till you drop or until jam6 sore. aku juga arus lihat sifat2 pemancing disini gimana...adakah mereka yg tipe sportsman atau tipe gak bisa kalah.
jika segalanya lancar aku akan biar pemancing bermalam disitu...soalnya waktu yg paling seru main flyfishing ialah dari jam 3am to 9am..apa lagi jika pakei fly jenis popper
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Hai Ari, welcome to fishy forum.
Kita sudah sms'an yah. Wah kolam yg sangat menarik.
Oya biar teman2 dsini bisa berkenalan sebaiknya bikin perkenalan dulu di fishyintro.
Pasti teman2 disini senang sekali berkenalan dg Anda.
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Old 20-04-2008, 23:48
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Hai Ari, welcome to fishy forum.
Kita sudah sms'an yah. Wah kolam yg sangat menarik.
Oya biar teman2 dsini bisa berkenalan sebaiknya bikin perkenalan dulu di fishyintro.
Pasti teman2 disini senang sekali berkenalan dg Anda.

hi bos...ktm di sini juga ya,,,haha. ok boleh ntar aku kenalkan diri.
iya aku emang suka dgn kolam ini...emang cocok buat beginner...gak punya pohon, tanahnya rata....dan jauh dari jalan besar.
aku juga rancangan bikin club house, so temen2 bisa exchange fishing storties and lies...haha
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Old 20-04-2008, 23:56
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Mr. Tan, when will the masters Fly from Sing and Malaysia come to your pond?
I'm very interested, since I'm a beginner in Fly.

Maybe someday if you let me, I want to visit your pond.
I will bring my Fly + Bait casting (using lure) outfit too.
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Old 21-04-2008, 00:34
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Mr. Tan, when will the masters Fly from Sing and Malaysia come to your pond?
I'm very interested, since I'm a beginner in Fly.

Maybe someday if you let me, I want to visit your pond.
I will bring my Fly + Bait casting (using lure) outfit too.
i have invited them..when they are coming im not sure...but they will.
dun worry when everything is ready ...the door will be open and everyone is welcome...but before that i have to test the water condition, and make sure the place is safe...i do not want any Preman or Jagohan causing any trouble there. yup you are expected to bring your own equipments...since i dont supply any.

ok ..as a beginer what is your weakess department?...let me know see if i can help you out. if its casting then ..rest asure i give you some tips.
but dont expect me to teach you long distance casting cos i dont do that. most beginners are taught to cast far...as far as one can. to me that a waste of enegery as you get tried quite fast. its better to do soft casting..sort like 20 meters on 2 to 3 strokes. soft presentation is the key since we do not want to scare the fish away while trying to empty your fly reel. i have seen many old gentlemen in their 60s or 70s casting for hours without getting tired....so the secret is soft , gentle and easy on a light outfit.
of course you have seen many flyfisher who try to impress the crowd by casting to the far bank...this dude will not catch any fish ..this i asure you and i guarantee he will be tired within 30 minutes.

and another thing is if the fish do strike ....they will strike about 10 meters from you 9 out ot 10 times...so what the point of casting far?
if you practice short distance casting your skill will improve greatly as you did not pressure yourself to to do a long cast.

the thing to keep in mind is....this is a sport between you and the fish....you are there to outsmart the fish.....you are NOT there to impress the crowd or friends with your fly outfit of casting skill. the sooner you block Showmanship from your mind...the better chance you will get that fish.
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Old 21-04-2008, 12:51
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salam pak ariel...ide yg sangat bagus support fly fishing.,..! dan tempat bagus untuk latihan fly..! thank support untuk fly..! ... i ya saya percaya jika minat soal fly semakin banyak...one day tempat fly juga akan usul jadi banyak...! ,....ini projet yg di tunggu2 orang banyak..nih.!
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Old 21-04-2008, 13:44
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Mr. Tan, thank you for your first lesson.
Yup, you're right. My weakness is casting softly.

I'm looking for your next lesson in the near future.

If OK with you, please inform us later when the masters will come.
Maybe they want to share their knowledge with us.
Thank you.
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Old 21-04-2008, 14:38
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salam pak ariel...ide yg sangat bagus support fly fishing.,..! dan tempat bagus untuk latihan fly..! thank support untuk fly..! ... i ya saya percaya jika minat soal fly semakin banyak...one day tempat fly juga akan usul jadi banyak...! ,....ini projet yg di tunggu2 orang banyak..nih.!
thanks bos....iya aku yakin pond ini akan tambah peminat fly. pernah juga 10 tahun yg lalu di malaysia ada kolam yg buka khas utk flyfishing...peminatnya tambah ramei...tap kolam ini jadi bangkrup kerana sikap2 pemancing yg gak benar.
aku sih sebagai pemancing tidak senang jika di awasin terus ama tuan punya kolam waktu mancing. maka aku juga sebagai tuan punya kolam tidak akan awasin pemancing2...tapi ada juga pemancing yg doyang tidak hormatin peraturan....dah dapat ikan terus masukan ke dalam tas, ada juga yg akan pakei umpan idup wkt lure nya gak jadi..
aku tidak salah kan tuan punya kolam jika dia awasin terus pemancing2...soalnya ada yg diantara kita yg gak benar. jika kita hormati peraturan dan mancing secaras sportsman...aku rasa tuan punya kolam gak akan awasin2 kita ...lagi baek tidur dari awasin pemancing.

seterusnya aku blm yakin akan jadi byk kolam2 segini.....terus terang..untung nya datang dari mana? kolam biasa2 yg ada skrg dan yg ada perjudian ialah kolam yg byk untung.
jika aku bukan peminat fly dan ikan2 nya bukan dari stock aku sendiri....gak mungkin aku mau buang duit bikin kolam ini....itung aje sendiri pengeluaran nya brapa...kemasukan harian brapa. senin-jumaat pasti sepi. jadi apa solusinya...pond yg satu lagi bikin Lomba2..buat yg doyang dgn trend ini.
ikannya?...ikan emas , grass carp, big head crap dan rohu....minat?? hehehe
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Old 21-04-2008, 14:56
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Mr. Tan, thank you for your first lesson.
Yup, you're right. My weakness is casting softly.

I'm looking for your next lesson in the near future.

If OK with you, please inform us later when the masters will come.
Maybe they want to share their knowledge with us.
Thank you.

first all ..do not treat them as masters ..but as a friend, there are no masters when it comes to fishing, kita semuanya temen tidak kira latarbelakang kmu apa. what they will teach you as far i know them is to be humble...thats all, and just some good fishing antics.
i let you know when they get here

its very diffcult to explain casting on the internet...you just have to watch LIVE how its done..its very easy, in 15 minutes you will be a proper caster and theres no big secret about it too.
at the meantime..just do soft presentation using the parachute method...you can find this from the internet. this is good practise ,, as it teaches you how to gently drop you fly on target.
what i can say is ...just before the end of your cast when you release the final line, hold your rod up at a 45 degrees angle and gently shake your rod tip left to rite a few times.....try this and see how the fly drops.

this cast is famous among western fishers who would drop the fly very near a trout. in a sense the gentle shake of the rod would kill off whatever enegery left in a cast and the fly will for a moment be suspended in mid air before gently floating down to the water....just like an insect that drops into the water when they are tired and the trouts are waiting below
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mantaf pak ariel....
mdh"an bisa mampir dan di ajarin mancing pake tehnik fly ini ya...
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bro Ariel, pls prepare ur pond as soonest, I'm ready to get infect of fly virus, asal jangan mahal2 aja ticketnya ya
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Mr. Tan, thank you for 2nd lesson.
I will keep them in my mind.
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wah keren nih Mr. Tan...
bisa jadi tempat kumpul para pencinta fly fishing dan casting...
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Old 21-04-2008, 15:26
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mantaf pak ariel....
mdh"an bisa mampir dan di ajarin mancing pake tehnik fly ini ya...

mampir kemana bos...aku jg binggung disini mana terdapat tempat fly flying, jika ke tempat aku...harus nunggu pas dah siap semua bos
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Old 21-04-2008, 15:41
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bro Ariel, pls prepare ur pond as soonest, I'm ready to get infect of fly virus, asal jangan mahal2 aja ticketnya ya

yup bos...mahal2 pasti gak, tapi jgn sampei aku rugi ya.
nah aku masi mikir2 hal pembayaran....rate yg standard pancing satu hari di malaysia ialah rm20 satu hari..tapi kolamnya gedel dan ikan kurang.
yg di bangkok rate nya 700baht satu hari...ikannya byk dan gila gedel.

aku tidak pengin liat pemancing yg datang ke kolam hanya utk liat airnya ...arus senang dapat ikan non stop. solusinya sediakan ikan2 yg byk.
nah itu kan arus punya modal gedel..apa lagi ikan2 ini masi perawan, masi belum sekolah ..belum kenal apa tuh umpan palsu. rotasi ikan dari kolam 2 atau 3 bulan sekali dan masukan ikan2 baru, soalnya yg lama dah kena umpan palsu gak lagi mereka perawan...gak lagi gampang di tipu.

aku belum lagi tetapkan rate nya...tapi peminat mancing arus jelas...yg murah gak akan ada yg bagus
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